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Studying your native language
July 21, 2012
02:43
siseo
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Let me just start by saying I want to teach EFL, so learning English from a non-native speaker's point of view is both useful and fascinating to me, especially since I have language-learning experiences of my own to compare.

Lately, though, I've taken to going through online lessons/podcasts and some texts that teach English.  I find it very helpful to be more aware of some of the patterns that have been ingrained in me, so when I set out to learn a foreign language I'm more aware of these differences.

I once bought a book for a friend of mine looking to improve her American accent, but I'm the one who ended up devouring it.  The end had several sections with tips for native speakers of various languages, illustrating more clearly some of the difficulties those speakers have and reasons why.  For example, it was the first time I'd learned about our "staircase intonation," and the author compared it to the intonation patterns of various other languages (the Gallic flip, the Mandarin tones, etc.).

Podcasts and such also offer a way for me to learn expressions and vocabulary while the teachers speak at a natural speed.  It's like…a poor man's immersion.  Since I'm still in America, listening to native speakers as often as I can still helps train my mind to process the language when it's spoken naturally.  I have to admit, I'm a little peeved when teachers make such a point of enunciating a word that it no longer sounds natural.

If anyone has an English course in another language they recommend (preferably a podcast or online audio/video), send it my way!  My priority(ies?) are the languages in my signature that I've listed "intermediate" or below, including my wishlist--but other languages are also welcome.

If others who are not native English speakers have tried something like this, I'd love to hear about your experiences, too. laugh

Native: English (US) | Advanced: French | Beginner: Korean | Wishlist: Japanese, German, Hindi, Chinese
July 27, 2012
16:32
Jennifer
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I haven't really tried this, but I find it a very interesting idea.

 

I'm not sure if this is exactly the sort of thing you're talking about, but I have found that a better understanding of English grammar (beyond what I learned in school) is helpful when learning (in my case) French.  What's a past participle?  What's a present participle?  What's an infinitive?  None of those are terms I learned in school.  (US schools and, I hear, UK schools, have dramatically reduced the amount of detailed English grammar they teach.)  I have a very good command of English and have degrees from two top schools, but my skills are just from reading… I know what "feels" right.  In most cases I can't explain WHY it's right.  This is a barrier for me when my French materials explain grammar rules in terms with which I am not terribly familiar.  And obviously when I am pretty new to a second language, I have no clue what "feels" right.

 

One of the books I am using, Intermediate French for Dummies, goes over English grammar, parts of speech, etc., before launching into French grammar.  That's very helpful.  Something broken down even further, as it might be for ESL learners, might be more helpful.

 

**EDIT**  I just looked up "staircase intonation," because I had never heard this term.  Here's what I find so interesting… one of the big complaints about French is that the words all run together.  This makes it hard to understand spoken French, especially early on.  I hadn't thought about the fact that is also true of English.  I think of us as pronouncing each individual word.  But I suppose it could be just as hard for non-native speakers to parse out the individual words from the "sound units" we speak.  (Of course, in French, the ends of words are routinely not pronounced, and this adds to the difficulty, although if you know that the end of a word won't be pronounced, then the words running together should be no different from the "harder" English sounds running together.)

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