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03:37
June 1, 2012
OfflinePlease note that I already have a thread on this forum (many pages in.) But, for some stupid reason I started the subject with "New User" ignoring the fact that I would post on the same thread for a long time, and this cannot be changed. And, I have changed the nature of my mission, so I have started a new thread which better reflects the plan. Benny – if you don't want the forum clogged with dead threads, feel free to delete the old thread.
Very quick background – I am American (native English speaker) and studied in Montréal for two years for my masters degree at an English language university. I had a very, very, VERY basic knowledge of French going in (meaning, I knew je, tu, vous, a few forms of parler, etc..) While there, I developed a high degree for comfort with the sounds and spelling, and a fairly large vocabulary from signage, etc., which I think is actually very helpful to me now. But, I developed NO conversational proficiency because I was picking up almost all nouns, and I had zero grammar. I avoided French TV because I couldn't understand it. I listened to French radio a lot, but I don't believe in the powers of passive listening to teach a language. (It certainly didn't work for me.) I was busy with grad school in a different subject, so I didn't feel I had time to focus on consciously learning French. Such a wasted opportunity!
My original plan here (in June 2012) was to be "high intermediate" in French in 6 months, as demonstrated with an appropriate score on the TEFaQ (French proficiency exam for Québec immigration.)
I had largely abandoned my old mission thread because I was posting on a blog, but I have since made the blog open to blog authors (me) only. I started wanting to write well-developed, well-written posts, and frankly, it's just too time consuming to write a good post! I was spending hours on well-thought-out posts about culture, language learning, travel, etc.. I realized I could be using that time studying French. So here I am again.
I have been using Rosetta Stone TOTALe. I have all 5 levels, and have just started Level 2. I honestly think this program is hugely helpful and I think a lot of criticisms of it are entirely unwarranted. Some other criticisms may be valid for some people. But, it works well with the way I learn, and I think I have an advantage since I started with a background, albeit a tiny one, in French. I'm supplementing with online tools and grammar books. I think RS does a fantastic job of building up the foundation and then, about mid-way through Level 1, suddenly launching into very useful sentences. I already feel like I'm much, much better equipped to deal with daily interactions in French than I was even just one month ago when I last visited Montréal.
But here's my NEW AND IMPROVED PLAN… I am going to be enrolling in the full-time French intensive (immersion) program at McGill University in Montréal (my alma mater) in January. I'll do at least two of the 6-week sessions. That will be 300 instruction hours in an interactive course, plus being able to live in a francophone environment. This time around, my SOLE GOAL will be to improve my French, and I am determined to step outside my comfort zone and actually use the language.
I'm hoping to get to high intermediate by the time the program starts in January, so that I can make the most of my time there… it's all the better to already have decent skills so that you're actually able to communicate pretty comfortably and just hone those skills. I'll also still be taking the TEFaQ (which is not just to test myself, but also to submit to Québec because ultimately I want to apply to immigrate.) I'm shooting for the highest score I can possibly attain, because the higher the score, the more points I will get for immigration.
03:52
June 1, 2012
OfflineHere's my method for now:
I'm currently pretty consistent with my work in Rosetta Stone. Each of the 5 Levels is broken down into 4 Units. I find that I can carefully and thoughtfully make it through half a unit in 3-4 hours (and that's about all I can absorb in one sitting.) So, I can do a level in 8 days, or about 2 "work weeks" (5 day weeks with a day off.) Lately I've been working for less than 3 hours, so it will take me a bit longer to complete a Level. (Also as the material gets more difficult, I work more slowly.) What is driving me crazy is that I have already learned so much in just one level – I actually took the summer off before the fall that I moved to Montréal, and I totally could have learned basic French in that time, and then been in a good position to actually USE it and hone my skills in Montréal. Instead, I knew so little I really couldn't utter much more than bonjour, au revoir, s'il vous plait, and merci, the WHOLE TIME I LIVED THERE.
I always have large pad of paper in hand and write down all the new material, which reinforces it, but also gives me something to study away from the computer, since RS includes no books or other written material.
I also keep a free translation window open, and have started consulting the about.com French pages (which are FANTASTIC and comprehensive, by the way) as I work through new material on RS.
I have created a French notebook – I actually use a 3-hole punch on my RS notes, and then insert the paper in my binder. I've started printing out pages from about.com which explain common verbs and show all their conjugations. Being organized like this, as one might be if you were taking a school course, is really helpful. It can seem a little overwhelming to use so many different tools, so this brings some of it together.
I'm also watching a lot of French movies but so far only watch them from Netflix and the subtitles are English and are burned in. French films available on amazon.com almost without exception do not come with French subtitles. I've noticed that quite a few on amazon.ca DO have French subtitles (and they're Region 1 so I can play them) so I am going to buy some and start watching with the French subtitles instead of English.
I also stream Montréal radio stations and play them through my big speakers instead of my laptop, so it's like having a local radio station on an actual radio. I've noticed I am picking up more and more song lyrics and things the DJs are saying.
I also just bought a book called "Short Stories in French." It published by Penguin and is a parallel text, which includes short stories (nouvelles) in French (en français) on one page, with the English translation on the opposite page.
Finally, I do other random things to reinforce what I am learning… I go to the Le Monde website and see how much I can make out, I talk to my cats in French, I talk to myself in French, and sometimes I film myself rambling and then watch it.
15:03
June 1, 2012
OfflineToday I am skipping active use of Rosetta Stone and instead am going to review my notebook entries from the last two Rosetta Stone lessons.
I also read a chapter in "Intermediate French for Dummies," about infinitives and present participles. (Great book by the way – the author is Laura K. Lawless, the woman who has also written a seemingly endless supply of information on the About.com French pages. Sometimes I just want to read from a handy book, though, instead of looking online.)
I'm listening to spoken French and songs on the Montréal radio station I've streamed.
20:16
June 1, 2012
OfflineAs a rule, I don't do much with French on the weekend – I listened to Radio-Canada each day and tried to make out the words (it was a lot of reporting on the Olympics) and I read two short stories in my French/English parallel text. I also did some reading through my 1001 Most Useful French Words book.
I find that I have no trouble understanding certain words when I listen. Usually, these are words with some sort of harder consonant sound, like avec, parce que, besoin, quelquefois, quelque chose, cette semaine, et cetera…. I can also make out numbers and dates. But, much gets lost. Right now it's unclear how much is lost because I simply don't have the vocabulary and grammar, and how much is lost because people talk so quickly.
I'm still only using present tense, but I have read some more about imparfait, passé composé, and conditionnel. I'm not sure at what point I should start memorizing all the possible conjugations for the common verbs. I'll think I'll wait until I am a little more advanced with Rosetta Stone, and my grammar books introduce them.
00:08
June 1, 2012
OfflineMonday, Tuesday, and Wednesday (so, today and the last two days since the weekend) I worked with Rosetta Stone. I just finished Unit 1 of Level 2, so I am 1/4 of the way through Level 2. I'm getting more and more useful vocabulary and grammar and am now learning different verb tenses. The next lesson will cover passé composé, and the last lesson covered le futur proche, a very simple future tense. Actually I'm not sure if it can be called a tense or just a grammatical construction which indicates a future action. It's simply using "aller" conjugated in the present tense, followed by the infinitive of the verb, for instance, je vais manger, for "I am going to eat." Whatever it's called, this has immediately expanded my conversational ability, which is exciting!
I've also been listening to Radio Canada for at least a couple hours a day. I'm noticing an increase in the number of words and phrases I can recognize, so I feel like I am making progress.
I just found out that a third movie in a Romain Duris/Audrey Tautou series (L'Auberge Espagnole, Russian Dolls) is in pre-production and will be released in October 2013. I am hoping to watch it without subtitles at that time!
18:18
June 1, 2012
OfflineI listened pretty actively to 3 hours of Radio Canada and was excited whenever I could understand something. I can often get the gist of what is being talked about and understand whole sentences but I still miss a lot. I do think it's helping with my oral comprehension, though.
I stole the "25 most used French verbs" table another poster posted, and right now I am writing out the auxiliary verb and past participle for each, as well as each verb conjugated in the present tense. This will allow me to use the verb in present tense, passé composé, and futur proche, which will add a lot of flexibility to my speech even though I'll still be missing a lot of tenses.
21:32
June 1, 2012
OfflineToday I worked through the first Core Lesson in the second unit in Level 2 of Rosetta Stone French, which covered futur proche and did more work with passé composé, expanding my ability to talk about things I am going to do or have done (or which other people are going to do or have done, as well as asking people about their past and future actions.)
Also, more Radio Canada listening…
20:19
June 1, 2012
OfflineI didn't realize it had been almost 2 weeks since I had last posted. I've been working away steadily, just not posting here.
Since my last post, each day I have actively listened to at least a couple hours of Radio-Canada (French talk radio from Montréal.) I've also done one Core Lesson in Rosetta Stone almost every week day, and tomorrow I will finish the third Unit of Level 2, meaning I will be 3/4 of the way through Level 2. I expect it will take me 4 more days after that to finish Level 2, but I will be on vacation for several days and expect to only work with my notebook and other books during that time.
I'm also doing various random reading of Le Monde online and some other written French, and talking to myself in French as much as possible. I know a lot of basic conversational French now.
13:11
September 14, 2012
OfflineYou should try Michel Thomas method it's really good
it will help a lot he tells you about how 3 out of 4 words in English are french and there are about 1200 nouns in English that can be said in french like reservation and situation and so on. Honestly after 2 days (an hour each day) i was taught about 40 words maybe, it's really impressive
Also your doing a really good job 

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