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My mini-mission: One conversation in Norwegian or Danish every day for the next 3 weeks - and a new word every day!
August 3, 2012
12:24
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Hi everyone, I'm fairly new to the site and I thought the idea of posting your own mission seemed like a great way to get motivated and also get to know other language learners – so here's mine…

My mission is of the 'mini' variety (in the sense that it's a very short term goal and not that complicated) but I think it's one that should present a personal challenge for me. I am an English speaker, living in Norway for 6 months with a Danish family. I have always enjoyed learning languages but my problem has been that however much I study, however successful I may (or may not!) be at leaning new words and getting my head around various points of grammar, I seem to run up against a big fat brick wall of anxiety whenever I even think about having a conversation with a native speaker. Whilst it's an attitude I've always known needs to be fixed, this site has really given me the push I need to actually get out there and try it!

So, my mini-mission is simple – at least one conversation in Norwegian or Danish every day, without reverting back to English. Doesn't have to be a long conversation, or about anything complicated/impressive (it definitely won't be, I knew no Norwegian or Danish before I came here and am still very much at beginner level!), only conversation rule is NO ENGLISH!

(Also, I want to try and learn a new word each day- just cause that seems like fun!)

Wish me luck!

Gina smile

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August 4, 2012
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Today went fairly well! Something I realised is that I was already having more conversations in Danish than I thought – with the two children I'm looking after, who don't speak any English. Young children are great to practice with- you don't seem to feel so embarrassed and they have NO problem correcting your mistakes!! (plus you get to have some interesting *exchanges* – e.g. "Gina, are you Spiderman?" "No, I don't think I am, I'll check and get back to you.")

Still, have also accomplished day one of the mini- mission; a conversation (albeit short!) with a real life adult native speaker. About a football match, of all things….. confused Something I really need to work on is my accent, which doesn't necessarily sound 'English', but definitely isn't quite right.

 

Watch this space for mini-mission updates!

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August 4, 2012
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I would advise you to choose between learning Danish or Norwegian. The languages are pretty different, but may not seem like it before you've started to learn the languages. This goes for both pronunciation, words, grammar and how to structure different phrases. I you're learning a mixture between Danish and Norwegian, then both a Danish and a Norwegian person will have trouble understanding you.

August 5, 2012
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Thanks very much for the advice smile

As I said in my original post, I am living in Norway with a Danish family (relatives of mine, although I am not Danish myself – long story!wink). Although my primary focus is actually Norwegian (and I would not ordinarily attempt any two languages simultaneously!!) it would be practically impossible to completely avoid Danish, as I am surrounded by the language on a daily basis (nor would I want to completely avoid it, as I don't want the family to have to speak English all the time for my benefit!).

In the months I have been here, I can certainly see a big difference between the two languages (as you mention, with accent and some sentence structure, etc), and I may well run up against some confusion in the future! For now though, I'm simply doing my best to make a good language-learning opportunity out of the situation I find myself in!

 

Ginasmile

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August 5, 2012
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That sounds great! Good luck with your language learning! smile

August 5, 2012
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Thanks very much smile Are you a native speaker of either Danish or Norwegian? Maybe I can ask you for some tips over the next couple of weeks – as I'm sure I'll need them!

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August 5, 2012
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I'm native in Norwegian, but I don't have any prior experience in teaching languages. You are however of course free to ask me for tips if you want to! smile

August 6, 2012
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Hi! It's exciting to see another person learning Norwegian :)

So what are you up to over there; are you taking a Norwegian course or learning on your own? What part of Norway are you in? I love visiting Norway--even moreso now that I can communicate somewhat in Norwegian--somehow it makes a difference.

Cheers,
CG 

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August 6, 2012
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Best of luck with this – good to see more Norwegian learners on the forum! :)

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August 7, 2012
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Thanks guys smile

@Cangirl, I've been in Lyngdal (vest-agder area) since March, working as an Au Pair. I haven't been to a course, as the only local one was full when I got here, so I have just been learning from a book and (more recently) trying to practice on poor unsuspecting locals whenever possible!! Would really like to start a course when I get back home though.

Unfortunately I'm leaving in a couple of weeks but have planned a 3 day trip to Bergen and a weekend in Oslo before I go – hopefully lots more chances to practice! Btw, I've been following your Norwegian mission too, hope it's going well!

 

As for the mini-mission – not much success yesterday. Was one of those 'stay inside or get washed away by the rain' days and I was here on my own so no conversationsfrown. I did go for a walk this morning though, and had a very short discussion with a really friendly lady who stopped to ask me if I had seen her cows! (there is a farm very close by and the cows do seem pretty much free to wander where they like, so perhaps not quite as unusual as it sounds…) I think I looked a bit confused a first, and she did do most of the talking, but I understood without asking her to switch to English, or using any myself, so feeling pretty good about thatsmile

 

Hilsen fra Norge!

Gina

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August 8, 2012
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It's been a good day- managed a slightly longer conversation in Danish today with only very few words that I absolutely had to say in English (if I was able to successfully mime 'road tax', I would have done, but I guess every so often using the English word is going to be unavoidable!!). It really does help to have a patient person to practice with, who doesn't mind my mistakes and doesn't just switch to English out of frustration/ sympathy when the conversation slows down.

 

However, proudest moment today was a conversation with a delivery driver on the phone in Norwegian- fairly short and not overly complicated, but really felt like a massive victory for me! To anyone who is afraid of making mistakes/ too shy to speak to people, PLEASE go out and try it – I know I didn't say everything perfectly today and my accent is still far from sounding native, but the fact that someone understood me and even complemented my Norwegian was just the best feeling ever and put me in a great mood for the rest of the day smile

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August 9, 2012
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Way to go! I remember being SO nervous for my first German phone call (ordering a taxi). 

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August 9, 2012
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Thankyou! smile Definitely was super nervous but first one has got to be the hardest…. right??wink

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August 10, 2012
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Yes, once you make the first call and realize "hey, people can understand me and I can make things happen!" then it gets much easier :)

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August 17, 2012
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Time for another mini-mission update after a lovely trip to Bergen! (4 days and NO rain, by the way!!)

Unfortunately not too much to report in the way of extended conversations as I was traveling on my own. I did meet some really friendly Norwegian (and Italian and English!) students but not until I was just about to leave – great timing! :-(

However, still feeling happy cause I managed to make all the arrangements for my trip in Norwegian – booking bus/ferry tickets, checking into my hostel, changing money,souvenir shopping (and  buying disposable cameras when my camera broke frown). I found that everyone (with only one exception) was more than happy to speak Norwegian with me, even when I was making mistakes or couldn't think of the right word. Bergen in August was full of tourists from all over the world, and I found that people automatically spoke English to me in shops, etc. before I even said anything. When I replied in Norwegian though, they didn't carry on speaking English (even though at my earlyish stage of learning, it's obvious that I'm not a native speaker). Have really found Norwegians to be incredibly helpful and patient with anyone trying to learn smile

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August 17, 2012
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Living in Reykjavik, I found that during tourist season Icelanders get extremely shocked if you can even say "thanks" and continue to speak in Icelandic to you then, but during the rest of the year they're a lot more snobby about Icelandic and won't hold a conversation past "hello how are you". And they do the same thing where they automatically speak English during tourist season. I'm curious, what was the one exception that wouldn't speak to you?

Do the Danes you live with just speak Danish to Norwegians, or do they Norwegian-ify their pronunciation? I live in Sweden, and while "of course Danes just speak Danish and Swedes speak Swedish", I did see on tv after a football match that the Danish team couldn't understand Swedish and so the Swedish tv host had to speak in English… But Norwegians should be able to better understand spoken Danish than Swedes and vice versa.

I've never done an au pair, but do they give you enough free time to join clubs and stuff? Everyone tells me here to join clubs to meet people and talk in the local language. You could go to a swimming hall or something too.

 

Until two days ago, I was regularly having maybe one conversation in Swedish a day (just listening the rest of the time), but I've learned a LOT since I started to "only speak in Swedish (with English if I don¨t know the words)". Since you've managed to do all this stuff on your own while going to Bergen you can probably also attempt to speak only in Norwegian/Danish at home. Personally I feel like I'm learning tons, but at the same time I wouldn't want to immediately speak only in Swedish if I didn't know any of the language, it'd be too difficult to even understand their help…

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August 17, 2012
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plumbroth said
I'm curious, what was the one exception that wouldn't speak to you?

One of the receptionists at the hostel – he just looked a bit irritated and answered me in English- but he did look really tired so he's forgiven! wink

Do the Danes you live with just speak Danish to Norwegians, or do they Norwegian-ify their pronunciation? I live in Sweden, and while "of course Danes just speak Danish and Swedes speak Swedish", I did see on tv after a football match that the Danish team couldn't understand Swedish and so the Swedish tv host had to speak in English… But Norwegians should be able to better understand spoken Danish than Swedes and vice versa.

My cousin owns a shop here and I've heard that she speaks more 'clearly' to customers than she does in Danish at home but I don't think her actual pronunciation changes too much, so it may just be the relative formality of the situation (I know I've been told that even in English I have a 'work voice'!!). I have heard from a couple of Norwegians that Swedish is easier for them to understand than Danish is (this could just be their opinion of course, not sure how true it is for everyone here). Another Norwegian told me he could understand English better than Danish but I'm guessing he's an exception!!

I've never done an au pair, but do they give you enough free time to join clubs and stuff? Everyone tells me here to join clubs to meet people and talk in the local language. You could go to a swimming hall or something too.

That would have been a good idea but I spoke no Norwegian at all when I came here so it would have been a bit too difficult then, and now that I've started to learn more my time here is running out (although I did go to a mum & baby group with one of the children I'm looking after and that was a nice way to meet people). If I come back here to stay for longer, or maybe permanently (can only hope!) that's definitely something I'll try smile

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August 19, 2012
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I like this mini mission, its just a little step, but your taking that step of faith and that what gets you going.

I treid speaking to a worker at the Japanese supermarket and it felt rewarding.

also, since you have started the mission do feel more confident with your norwegian and danish?

im kinf of intereseted in Norwegian….. but i don't want to overload mylself and in New York, I dont know where i can learn or find people to talk to in Norwegian. Did you find it as an easy language to learn for english speakers?

I think learning another language might be more useful for me even though Norwegian is a cool language. Also, do thery speak Norwegian anywhere else?

thankssmile

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August 19, 2012
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MitchellA said
I like this mini mission, its just a little step, but your taking that step of faith and that what gets you going.

Thankyou! laugh

also, since you have started the mission do feel more confident with your norwegian and danish?

im kinf of intereseted in Norwegian….. but i don't want to overload mylself and in New York, I dont know where i can learn or find people to talk to in Norwegian. Did you find it as an easy language to learn for english speakers?

I think learning another language might be more useful for me even though Norwegian is a cool language. Also, do thery speak Norwegian anywhere else?

I definitely feel more confident with my Norwegian since starting the mini-mission. I feel like I have people to share it with when I have a success story (however small!) and that's really motivated me to try hard with conversations even when I might not otherwise have pushed myself so hard frown I think some of the vocabulary is easily recognisable for English speakers (although some of it REALLY isn't!!) but I'm personally finding the grammar a bit tricky. As far as I know there aren't other countries where Norwegian is spoken as a first language (unless I'm being very ignorant, in which case someone please correct me!) but it shouldn't be too difficult to find speakers somewhere like New York I would imagine? Also, in one of my language books there was an organisation mentioned for Norwegian speakers in the US (setting up get-togethers, cultural/ language exchanges, etc.). I don't have the details on me now but I will look it up for you when I get back to Lyngdal smile

For now, Hilsen fra Oslo alle sammen!

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August 19, 2012
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MitchellA said
I like this mini mission, its just a little step, but your taking that step of faith and that what gets you going.

I treid speaking to a worker at the Japanese supermarket and it felt rewarding.

also, since you have started the mission do feel more confident with your norwegian and danish?

im kinf of intereseted in Norwegian….. but i don't want to overload mylself and in New York, I dont know where i can learn or find people to talk to in Norwegian. Did you find it as an easy language to learn for english speakers?

I think learning another language might be more useful for me even though Norwegian is a cool language. Also, do thery speak Norwegian anywhere else?

thankssmile

Where I was living in the US, semi-nearby they had a little "Scandinavian town" with a lot of immigrants (or second-generation people that spoke a little) and they also had meetup groups for ex-pats and language learners or cultural enthusiasts could come. And there were some mini clubs called stuff like "Sons of Norway" and a little "Swedish cultural center" that actually was just full of various Nordic people and not especially Swedes, although mostly full of old people and a lot of them didn't even speak a Scandinavian language. I'm sure even so they'd be thrilled to get a new person to join the group and whoever did speak it would love to practice (if not, they wouldn't be in a club for it!). Maybe if you go on one of those sites like meetup.com(?) and search around, you'll find something like that. Also if something like a Scandinavian food store or Norwegian bakery exists, maybe you can visit really often and make some friends. : D

Another option is to just put up signs at a college or something, maybe someone will also be learning and want to meet up to practice together. I think you have a lot better chances in New York than a lot of places because it's such a big immigrant/tourist area.

As far as I know, there are probably some places/neighbourhoods in the US like the town I described, where many people still regularly speak Norwegian outside of Norway, but I've never heard of anything like it being the major language of another country. And that kind of immigrant town might actually be worse, if it's anything like some other similar things I've read about then the language in a sort of isolated area like that has probably evolved on its own and may even have different grammar or spelling than "real Norwegian", not just vocabulary and pronunciation.

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