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Speak a little Russian back to people (and work on the rest)
February 8, 2012
02:36
kaet
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While I absolutely need to work on keeping up my Hebrew and French, and improving my German (and maybe Irish), I also feel the need to learn Russian. Twice in the last two weeks I've had people come over to me in public and try to speak it to me, and each time I've had to just shake my head. Apparently I look like I could be Russian? One of the names on my ID card is most commonly found among Russian speakers too, so I've had people phone and want to speak Russian to me as well.

So, the mission is that from now on when this happens I will actually respond in Russian, and that by the summer this will mean actually saying something useful to the other person! (Usually when being approached on the street it's because the person wants directions or some other assistance.)

I'm working with a book of DH's: The New Penguin Russian Course: A complete course for beginners and it's actually frustrating me so far, since the first two chapters are entirely on the alphabet and handwriting and only use the language for reading practice. The book is from 1996 and that definitely shows since among the words we're supposed to recognise are things like glasnost and perestroika. I'm interspersing that with some online stuff for pronunciation.

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February 8, 2012
04:44
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For an absolute beginner on any language, I always recommend Livemocha's courses – They are very, very simple and yet give you a nice kcickstart on things like numbers, date and time, simple objects and so on. Plus, you can get feedback (albeit with varying quality) from native speakers and get to chat with them too. From then on, try looking up for other free online courses to get you better covered.

 

I never actually tried Russian (I can barely parrot Ya ni gavariu pa Ruski or whatever "I don't speak Russian" is spelled like), but I have a friend of mine who does speak a little and even writes on that cirilic (spell?) alphabet – She got startred on Livemocha and then went on for other learning sources.

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February 8, 2012
10:57
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Interesting. I have actually gone through some of LiveMocha's beginners' Hebrew course (largely for the writing feedback, which I didn't realise I could get on Lang-8, although some of the vocab was stuff I'd missed in my eclectic path too) and thought that it'd be entirely confusing for a real beginner, but that may be partially an issue of Hebrew grammar. I could certainly give it a go – thanks! (It'll be a good test of how I'm doing with the Cyrillic, at least.) smile

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February 8, 2012
14:09
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למזלך, בישראל אין תירוצים – יש דוברי רוסית איפה שלא תסתכל…

הרבה מהם גם מאוד גאים בשפה שלהם ושמחים לעזור. זה לפחות מה שאני גיליתי, כשהתעניינתי קצת בלימודי רוסית בתקופת התיכון (די נטשתי את הנושא, אבל אני מתכוון ללמוד רוסית יותר לעומק בעתיד).

תפוס רוסי, ותלמד איתו רוסית בעברית cool

 

Luckily for you, in Israel there are no excuses – there are Russian speakers wherever you look.

Many of them are very proud of their language and are glad to help. At least that's what I've discovered, when I took interest in learning Russian during high school. (I sort of abandoned the subject, but I intend to resume learning Russian more thoroughly in the future).

Grab a Russian, and study Russian with him through Hebrew cool

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February 9, 2012
10:48
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למזלי שאני נראית רוסית! אתה צודק – יש לי הזדמנות לדבר גם עברית וגם רוסית כל פעם שיוצאת מהבית! רוב הסיכויים שתהיה גם אפשרות בצרפתית. הבעיה היא רק לצאת בחורף עם התינוקת. תירוץ טוב, נכון? אולי שלא…
Got to stop making excuses for myself. Oh well, had a nice long chat both ways on the bus last night (admittedly one way was in English because I met someone I knew, but the other way was in Hebrew). I'm working on a post for my new language blog about taking opportunities for spontaneous conversations, and props for getting them started.
 
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February 10, 2012
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Good luck with your mission!

Rest assured that basic sentences are surprisingly easy to string together in Russian: You don't need any verb at all for any form of "to be" in the present tense, indicating one's age is possible without using a verb either. And for "to have" (as a main verb) you only need the infinitive of "to be" plus a simple construction. The past tense is the easiest tense I've ever come across in any language, the future forms are also very easy (if you take the aspect system for granted).

 

As for noun + adjective declension, IMHO the spoken version is somewhat easier to grasp than the written one (as long as there is no shift in word stress). Once you got the spoken declension down, learn a couple of spelling rules, and the written declension will no longer seem as overwhelming as I could have been if you'd simply tried to rote-learn those declension tables starting from the written form.

Of course, I'm focusing strongly on the easiest points here. :)

 

Have you checked out the forum's collection of resources for learning Russian yet?

http://www.fluentin3months.com/forum/resources-2/looking-for-resources…..n-russian/

You might also find the following mission interesting to follow:

http://www.fluentin3months.com/forum/my-language-mission/russian-or-bu…..mber-2012/

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February 10, 2012
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kaet said:

I'm working with a book of DH's: The New Penguin Russian Course: A complete course for beginners

That, in my opinion, is definitely the best Russian book I cam across so far! I'm on lesson 24, and I love how it explains grammar well and in a simple way. Its only con is that it has few exercises.

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February 10, 2012
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Thank you for all that – it's both encouraging and helpful! I think I've subscribed to both threads, and will go over the resources in more depth as I go along.

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February 10, 2012
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fabriciocarraro said:

kaet said:

I'm working with a book of DH's: The New Penguin Russian Course: A complete course for beginners

That, in my opinion, is definitely the best Russian book I cam across so far! I'm on lesson 24, and I love how it explains grammar well and in a simple way. Its only con is that it has few exercises.

Thank you. For some reason I didn't see this post last night, but I appreciate it. I'm still only on lesson 3 (I've been doing some stuff online for the pronunciation – no matter how good a book is, audio is definitely better for that!) so I'm only getting to the initial grammar now.

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February 11, 2012
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Spent a few hours going over flashcards and learnt about 30 words; then wrote a blogpost about it.

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February 22, 2012
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I think I'm spending far too much time learning Russian vocab (physical flashcards of the book words and Memrise) at the cost of doing anything else. On the one hand I am trying to work out the grammar I'm coming across on Memrise, but on the other, I'm really not trying to use the language in any natural fashion. Basically I'm not getting out of the house enough and thus not even speaking Hebrew more than about twice a week, and no Russian or French (let alone German) at all. I'm reading a bit in French, German and Hebrew, but this really isn't enough.

I'm rather lackadaisically trying to work out how to find someone to set up conversation sessions with in Russian & English locally. I need to get on with that!

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February 23, 2012
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I'm no native speaker, but I can possibly help some with speaking–I could use the practice, too.  PM for skype info.

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February 24, 2012
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Unfortunately our Skype access is patchy at best (ill laptop + slow broadband) so I stick to using it with my parents, mostly, who I can 'hang up on' unexpectedly without feeling bad (since they know about the problem). I wouldn't feel comfortable trying to rely on it with somebody new, but thank you so much for the offer!

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