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Question to all Chinese and Japanese speakers(natives or learners).
August 31, 2011
Raphaël Serve
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July 9, 2011

Hi! I have a problem concerning a chinese(and japanese). When I learn a character, I learn the simplified and the traditional form but 明 is a big problem for me. His ancient form is 朙 and the left part of the character is the problem because I don't know what is the difference between 囧 and 冏 and the wiktionnary didn't help me.

So can somebody tell me what is the difference between these two similar characters?(囧 and 冏)

Actual mission: Japanese Native:French Learning at school: English and German Learning at home: Japanese, Chinese, Tibetan, toki pona, Esperanto My dream from when I was a kid: learning Ancient Egyptian Next mission: Arabic.  Hobbies: Learning languages and conlanging. My language blog: http://polyglotte.over-blog.fr/
September 1, 2011
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July 5, 2011

Well, I can't help too much (I've not encountered 朙, just 明), but after a quick google search, which turned up http://www.visualmandarin.com/tools/chinese-stroke-order/16269 , it looks like 囧's bottom stroke extends between the edges and 冏's does not (I already know how to write 冏, so I didn't Google it 😉 )

The left half of 朙 uses 囧, so just follow the stroke order for 囧 and put a 月 on the right side and you'll be able to write it just fine.
In terms of meaning, according to Visual Mandarin, it appears they mean the same thing, except 囧 is used as an emoticon that means "depressed" or "sad".

Hope this helps 😀

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February 20, 2012


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December 16, 2011

Are you sure 朙 is even used anymore ? I have read a fair deal of Taiwanese literature in traditional characters, and I have always seen it written 明。


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