It is true that an explicit emphasis on learning to think in the target language is missing from many other approaches, but most accomplished learners reach that on their own. The same benefit can be gained simply by constantly forcing your brain to think in the target language and catching yourself whenever you find yourself not doing so.

It is true that an explicit emphasis on learning to think in the target language is missing from many other approaches, but most accomplished learners reach that on their own. The same benefit can be gained simply by constantly forcing your brain to think in the target language and catching yourself whenever you find yourself not doing so.

Benny; I’m not here to bash you, just to give some advice. What you do with it is your choice. Heck, I’m learning every day and I’m currently learning Mandarin in a different way I learned Spanish (which is logical, because they’re two completely different languages).

What I have against speaking in an early stage is research that shows it isn’t benificial. I like to refer to the way kids learn, whatever other people say. Language classes also put emphasis on speaking, and we all know that the avarage classroom student is horrible whereas the ‘input evangelists’ are often quite successful.

But if you really hate my comments I’ll just enjoy reading your blog and keep my comments for myself and for the readers of my blog.

Just one book I want to recommend: From The Outside In. It isn’t a finished work as dr. Marvin Brown died some years ago, but it’s an interesting read nonetheless.
.-= Ramses´s last blog ..Spanish Word of the Day: morro =-.

Benny; I’m not here to bash you, just to give some advice. What you do with it is your choice. Heck, I’m learning every day and I’m currently learning Mandarin in a different way I learned Spanish (which is logical, because they’re two completely different languages).

What I have against speaking in an early stage is research that shows it isn’t benificial. I like to refer to the way kids learn, whatever other people say. Language classes also put emphasis on speaking, and we all know that the avarage classroom student is horrible whereas the ‘input evangelists’ are often quite successful.

But if you really hate my comments I’ll just enjoy reading your blog and keep my comments for myself and for the readers of my blog.

Just one book I want to recommend: From The Outside In. It isn’t a finished work as dr. Marvin Brown died some years ago, but it’s an interesting read nonetheless.
.-= Ramses´s last blog ..Spanish Word of the Day: morro =-.

That’s all.

Matt

That’s all.

Matt

I don’t see why you are being so authoritative when you debunk my learning philosophy… I’ve seen your blog and there are still plenty of things that you’ve got left to learn in Spanish (some of which I commented on). I’ve reached fluency SIX times in non-English languages, I know what I’m doing. The Esperanto week was a “week off” in the middle of the summer that I don’t count as part of the 3 months (which end mid-September rather than the beginning of the second week, which is when I arrived in June).

Rather than this experiment not being serious for me, I think you missed the point of the experiment altogether from the beginning; I want to learn a language in 3 months casually and have a lot of fun along the way with my many other projects in life. I’m not going to spend the summer with my head in books, and DEFINITELY not watching TV. I’m amazed that you still cling on to the silly belief that practising in the early stages is “bad” for learning!! You have some interesting ideas, but that one is horrible and I think my other commenters will agree with me. Most mistakes that I was repeating in my early weeks have disappeared, BECAUSE I practised. I don’t see what you have against actually speaking the language to learn the language!! lol

Anyway thanks for the good luck wishes!! Much appreciated encouragement It seems that this last month external factors have come to play (I got myself in debt and have to work 12-14 hours a day for the next few weeks… i.e. wake up, work, go to sleep…) which will likely prevent me from reaching fluency, but I’ll talk about that directly after the next post. Even if I don’t make it this time, I’ve learned a lot this summer about learning techniques and I will make it to fluency in one of these 3-month experiments soon

I don’t see why you are being so authoritative when you debunk my learning philosophy… I’ve seen your blog and there are still plenty of things that you’ve got left to learn in Spanish (some of which I commented on). I’ve reached fluency SIX times in non-English languages, I know what I’m doing. The Esperanto week was a “week off” in the middle of the summer that I don’t count as part of the 3 months (which end mid-September rather than the beginning of the second week, which is when I arrived in June).

Rather than this experiment not being serious for me, I think you missed the point of the experiment altogether from the beginning; I want to learn a language in 3 months casually and have a lot of fun along the way with my many other projects in life. I’m not going to spend the summer with my head in books, and DEFINITELY not watching TV. I’m amazed that you still cling on to the silly belief that practising in the early stages is “bad” for learning!! You have some interesting ideas, but that one is horrible and I think my other commenters will agree with me. Most mistakes that I was repeating in my early weeks have disappeared, BECAUSE I practised. I don’t see what you have against actually speaking the language to learn the language!! lol

Anyway thanks for the good luck wishes!! Much appreciated encouragement It seems that this last month external factors have come to play (I got myself in debt and have to work 12-14 hours a day for the next few weeks… i.e. wake up, work, go to sleep…) which will likely prevent me from reaching fluency, but I’ll talk about that directly after the next post. Even if I don’t make it this time, I’ve learned a lot this summer about learning techniques and I will make it to fluency in one of these 3-month experiments soon

For example: you went to an Esperanto thing for a WEEK! I was already scratching my head and thinking: “For Benny this experiment is more a joke than serious stuff”. So yeah, it doesn’t surprise me.

You also made a mistake with the grammar thing. I actually believe in grammar study, but only to perfect your skills. You thought ‘I want to get it out of my way first’, which is a mistake because you, like you said yourself, start thinking in an unnatural way and it messes up your speaking. Instead you could’ve done better watching loads of television and even practicing (although I don’t agree with you on that, but it sure is better than dull grammar study).

Anyway, good luck for you last month and I hope you can forget the grammar a bit and actually get yourself to a better level.
.-= Ramses´s last blog ..How To Learn Spanish for Lazy People (And 5 Reasons Lazy People Are Better Learners) =-.

For example: you went to an Esperanto thing for a WEEK! I was already scratching my head and thinking: “For Benny this experiment is more a joke than serious stuff”. So yeah, it doesn’t surprise me.

You also made a mistake with the grammar thing. I actually believe in grammar study, but only to perfect your skills. You thought ‘I want to get it out of my way first’, which is a mistake because you, like you said yourself, start thinking in an unnatural way and it messes up your speaking. Instead you could’ve done better watching loads of television and even practicing (although I don’t agree with you on that, but it sure is better than dull grammar study).

Anyway, good luck for you last month and I hope you can forget the grammar a bit and actually get yourself to a better level.
.-= Ramses´s last blog ..How To Learn Spanish for Lazy People (And 5 Reasons Lazy People Are Better Learners) =-.

To those who complimented my current level of Czech, thanks!!! It’s really encouraging to hear this from you all, especially since I am not sure if I will make it to fluency, so I really hope I won’t be booed off the Internet if I can just claim to speak Czech “pretty well” by the end of this experiment

@Splogsplog I assure you, I am NOT a super genius!! There are plenty of areas of my life (finances, girls etc.) in which I am quite the idiot
@Bruno You can hear me speaking Portuguese on my video blog entirely in Portuguese. Just click the Brazilian flag on the left of this page
@jm Merci ! C’est hyper intéressant ce que tu fais pour apprendre la grammaire ! Je n’ai trouvé aucune chanson pour apprendre le tchèque mdr. Je vais écrire sur ce blog sur comment la musique nous aide avec les langues un de ces quatre

To those who complimented my current level of Czech, thanks!!! It’s really encouraging to hear this from you all, especially since I am not sure if I will make it to fluency, so I really hope I won’t be booed off the Internet if I can just claim to speak Czech “pretty well” by the end of this experiment

@Splogsplog I assure you, I am NOT a super genius!! There are plenty of areas of my life (finances, girls etc.) in which I am quite the idiot
@Bruno You can hear me speaking Portuguese on my video blog entirely in Portuguese. Just click the Brazilian flag on the left of this page
@jm Merci ! C’est hyper intéressant ce que tu fais pour apprendre la grammaire ! Je n’ai trouvé aucune chanson pour apprendre le tchèque mdr. Je vais écrire sur ce blog sur comment la musique nous aide avec les langues un de ces quatre

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inter-ligare — il faut le memoire, merci beaucoup!

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Joop Kiefte des Pays-Bas, un autre polyglot et ami de Benny

pardonnez pour les erreurs

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inter-ligare — il faut le memoire, merci beaucoup!

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Joop Kiefte des Pays-Bas, un autre polyglot et ami de Benny

pardonnez pour les erreurs

apprendre la grammaire d’une langue directement est en effet ennuyeux, decourageant et peu efficace.

Par exemple, quand j’apprenais l’allemand, j’ai appris pendant des annes les regles qui disent que le verbe doit etre mis tantot a la fin de la phrase, tantot en deuxieme position. Mais lorsque je voulais passer a la pratique, je me plantais tres regulierement tant cette structure de phrase me paraissait bizarre :

“Die Mutter sagt, das sie bald mit ihren zwei kleinen Kindern in der Schule gehen muss’

soit, mot a mot :
“La mere dit, qu’elle bientot avec ses deux enfants a l’ecole aller doit”

????????????

Ca ne voulait pas rentrer.

Et puis j’ai trouve un truc : comme j’adore la musique, je me suis mis a apprendre par coeur les paroles de chansons allemandes.

“Das Spiel” ====>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3gWmMJ5cO4
Artist: Annett Luisan
Album: “Bohème” (2004)

Dass du nicht mehr bist
Was du einmal warst
Seit du dich für mich
ausgezogen hast

Dass du alles schmeißt
Wegen einer Nacht
Und alles verlierst
War so nicht gedacht

Du willst mich für dich
Und du willst mich ganz
Doch auf dem Niveau
Macht’s mir keinen Spaß

Das füllt mich nicht aus
Ich fühl mich zu Haus
Nur zwischen den Stühlen

Ich will doch nur spielen
Ich tu doch nichts
Ich will doch nur spielen
Ich tu doch nichts ”

Une fois que je connais des dizaines de phrases par coeur comme cela, la grammaire cesse d’etre une chanson triste ! Quand je lis une regle de grammaire, me vient immediatement a l’esprit une phrase qui respecte cette structure. Le benefice est double :

1) la regle de grammaire me permet d’eclairer la structure de la phrase connue par coeur

Dass du nicht mehr bist
Was du einmal warst
Seit du dich für mich ausgezogen hast

2) la phrase connue par coeur me permet de me rappeler de la regle de grammaire !

“Intelligence” vient du latin : /inter – ligare/
/ligare/ veut dire : liens
L’intelligence consiste a lier nos differents savoirs !
Le support de la musique me facilite l’apprentissage des paroles associees, qui me facilite l’apprentissage de la grammaire, qui me permet de comprendre pleinement la musique que j’ecoute. Banco !

PS: j’ecris en francais pour aller plus vite. J’espere que tu comprends ?

apprendre la grammaire d’une langue directement est en effet ennuyeux, decourageant et peu efficace.

Par exemple, quand j’apprenais l’allemand, j’ai appris pendant des annes les regles qui disent que le verbe doit etre mis tantot a la fin de la phrase, tantot en deuxieme position. Mais lorsque je voulais passer a la pratique, je me plantais tres regulierement tant cette structure de phrase me paraissait bizarre :

“Die Mutter sagt, das sie bald mit ihren zwei kleinen Kindern in der Schule gehen muss’

soit, mot a mot :
“La mere dit, qu’elle bientot avec ses deux enfants a l’ecole aller doit”

????????????

Ca ne voulait pas rentrer.

Et puis j’ai trouve un truc : comme j’adore la musique, je me suis mis a apprendre par coeur les paroles de chansons allemandes.

“Das Spiel” ====>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3gWmMJ5cO4
Artist: Annett Luisan
Album: “Bohème” (2004)

Dass du nicht mehr bist
Was du einmal warst
Seit du dich für mich
ausgezogen hast

Dass du alles schmeißt
Wegen einer Nacht
Und alles verlierst
War so nicht gedacht

Du willst mich für dich
Und du willst mich ganz
Doch auf dem Niveau
Macht’s mir keinen Spaß

Das füllt mich nicht aus
Ich fühl mich zu Haus
Nur zwischen den Stühlen

Ich will doch nur spielen
Ich tu doch nichts
Ich will doch nur spielen
Ich tu doch nichts ”

Une fois que je connais des dizaines de phrases par coeur comme cela, la grammaire cesse d’etre une chanson triste ! Quand je lis une regle de grammaire, me vient immediatement a l’esprit une phrase qui respecte cette structure. Le benefice est double :

1) la regle de grammaire me permet d’eclairer la structure de la phrase connue par coeur

Dass du nicht mehr bist
Was du einmal warst
Seit du dich für mich ausgezogen hast

2) la phrase connue par coeur me permet de me rappeler de la regle de grammaire !

“Intelligence” vient du latin : /inter – ligare/
/ligare/ veut dire : liens
L’intelligence consiste a lier nos differents savoirs !
Le support de la musique me facilite l’apprentissage des paroles associees, qui me facilite l’apprentissage de la grammaire, qui me permet de comprendre pleinement la musique que j’ecoute. Banco !

PS: j’ecris en francais pour aller plus vite. J’espere que tu comprends ?

Bye!

Bye!