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22:35
November 21, 2011
OfflineSo , I learned to pronounce "Entschuldigen" by the Byki flashcard program and I thought I got it down pat. Then I watched the German soap opera "Verbotene Liebe" and now I've gone nuts.
So, in Byki I hear "Entschuldighen Sie" which they say means "Excuse me". But on the show I hear "Entschuldigun". Never once does anyone sound like Byki--maybe my computer is screwing up Byki's sound.
Is the "gen" part pronounced more like "ghen" or "gun"?
The other thing was in every situation on the show the character ONLY says "Entschuldigen" in every situation like when one answers the phone when they have a guest. Always "Entschuldigen" never with the "Sie"! Is it correct to just say "Excuse"? Isn't that incomplete? It would be strange in English to go around saying "Excuse, excuse". I thought German is like French where the "la" or "le" has to be included or it's incorrect.
Do explain please. 
23:58
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June 25, 2011
Offlinetheverve said:
So , I learned to pronounce "Entschuldigen" by the Byki flashcard program and I thought I got it down pat. Then I watched the German soap opera "Verbotene Liebe" and now I've gone nuts.
So, in Byki I hear "Entschuldighen Sie" which they say means "Excuse me". But on the show I hear "Entschuldigun". Never once does anyone sound like Byki--maybe my computer is screwing up Byki's sound.
Is the "gen" part pronounced more like "ghen" or "gun"?
"Entschuldigen Sie" and "Entschuldigung" both exist.
I think "Entschuldigung" is the most common form and it can be used regardless of the degree of formality. Grammatically speaking, you're just saying the noun excuse instead of an imperative form. (Translating it to English doesn't help, because both the imperative and noun are simply "excuse").
So, for a start, you can stick with "Entschuldigung".
If you want to fine-tune your excuse, here are some tips (you don't need to mind this at first!):
If you want to excuse for anything of minor importance/or obviously not demanding further explanation, a quick "Entschuldigung" is appropriate. I'd also use this after inadvertently running into a stranger (I mean, chances are… both are in a hurry – what else would you want to explain?).
If you want to show a bit more consideration (for instance, for interrupting someone who was busy doing something else), you can use "Entschuldigen Sie bitte {die Störung}" (formal/Sie) or "Entschuldige bitte {die Störung}" (informal/du). {die Störung} indicates your behaviour you're excusing for – in grammar terms, it's a noun taking the role of an accusative object.
In more serious cases or if you want to underline your sincerity, I advise you to start with "Entschuldigen Sie [mich] bitte…" (formal) or "Entschuldige [mich] bitte…" (informal), give your explanation and finally express your regret ("Es tut mir leid", just a bit informal).
I think there is no fixed rule, but there is a high correlation between using the [mich] and leaving/interrupting/ending a conversation. Keep in mind though, that "mich" cannot be used with an accusative object like {die Störung} above.
The other thing was in every situation on the show the character ONLY says "Entschuldigen" in every situation like when one answers the phone when they have a guest. Always "Entschuldigen" never with the "Sie"! Is it correct to just say "Excuse"? Isn't that incomplete? It would be strange in English to go around saying "Excuse, excuse".
I consider a mere "Entschuldigen" incorrect and inappropriate. Maybe the characters on the show are using "du" to adress one another, and he said "Entschuldige"?
I thought German is like French where the "la" or "le" has to be included or it's incorrect.
I don't quite get what you're alluding to. I hope that my explanations were helpful, though.
02:44
June 25, 2011
Offline02:48
November 21, 2011
OfflineThanks for responding. I do get it a bit more but I do have some more questions if you don't mind.
So, there's two pronunciations for the same word or does the word "entschuldigung" actually exist? Also, I forgot to ask if the "t" is ever pronounced? Sometimes, I hear it and sometimes I hear TV characters leaving out the "t" perhaps because they are talking fast. Which is correct: ent or ens?
When you say the imperative form and noun means "excuse"…what do you mean? I'm terrible at English grammar.
What does die Storung mean? Eeek, how do I easily put in the two dots on the "o" when I'm typing in Eng.? And, why is it in brackets? Why is the last "n" missing in "Entschuldige bitte"?
What does the "mich" mean? Is it a verb?
Hope I'm not killing you with my questions.
03:56
June 25, 2011
Offline12:03
October 11, 2011
Offlinetheverve said:
Thanks for responding. I do get it a bit more but I do have some more questions if you don't mind.
So, there's two pronunciations for the same word or does the word "entschuldigung" actually exist? Also, I forgot to ask if the "t" is ever pronounced? Sometimes, I hear it and sometimes I hear TV characters leaving out the "t" perhaps because they are talking fast. Which is correct: ent or ens?
When you say the imperative form and noun means "excuse"…what do you mean? I'm terrible at English grammar.
What does die Storung mean? Eeek, how do I easily put in the two dots on the "o" when I'm typing in Eng.? And, why is it in brackets? Why is the last "n" missing in "Entschuldige bitte"?
What does the "mich" mean? Is it a verb?
Hope I'm not killing you with my questions.
It's Entschuldigung, not Entschuldigun. It's much more common than "Entschuldigen Sie" which sounds too polite for most situations. In the first case (die) Entschuldigung is a noun like the excuse or the house, while in the second case it's a verb ( to excuse, to give ) in imperative form like "Geben Sie ihm Geld!" Give him money!. That's why you need to use "Entschuldige" the singular/one person form when you are using "du" and the plural/more than one person form when your are using "Sie"
In practice that doesn't really matter and it's much simpler to just use "Entschuldigung" in every case. In the spoken language (but not very often on TV) you'll often hear just "tschuldigung" or "schuldigung". Or like you said, some don't pronounce the t "Enschuldigung" but don't ever write it like that!
Störung is a disruption. And "mich" is a pronoun which translates to "me".
18:58
July 19, 2011
OfflineWhile traveling in Germany I heard MANY people use "schuldigung," and little else. Just as I heard, "tut Mir leid" more than "es tut Mir leid." Many things are shortened in speech, which can make it difficult, but not impossible, to understand. Plus, there were a lot of "grüß Gott"'s going around in Munich!
I rarely heard, "Guten Tag," but frequently heard, "Tag" or, "morgen" or just, "hallo."
If you think about it, we do this all the time in English, too. We greet with, "hello" or "morning," we say, "s'cuse me," or just, "sorry" quite often; I'm pretty sure programs don't really teach this as its very conversational. Try to mimic what the locals say, and I doubt you will be misunderstood…even if some things are shortened, as long as they are similar.
22:01
October 11, 2011
Offlinetheverve said:
So , I learned to pronounce "Entschuldigen" by the Byki flashcard program and I thought I got it down pat. Then I watched the German soap opera "Verbotene Liebe" and now I've gone nuts.
Oh, and if you're going to watch German soap operas, watch the best one: Alles was zählt
http://rtl-now.rtl.de/alles-was-zaehlt.php
Of the other free shows I can only recommend "Alarm für Cobra 11" (which is great if you like unnecessary explosions and car chases!) and "Wer wird Millionär" (German "who wants to be a millionaire", Günther Jauch is a great game show host)
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