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Mission: Conversational Hungarian in 3 months

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It’s time for a new 3 month language mission!

Since I started the blog about a year ago, I’ve learned pretty good Czech in 2 months, convinced some Brazilians that I was a Carioca, got by in Thai, and just recently passed 4/5 of one the hardest formal examinations in German.

So now it’s time to take on one of the toughest challenges yet: Conversational Hungarian in 3 months!

Hungarian: a non-Indo-European language

Before the Chinese/Japanese etc. learners jump on me for lazily taking on another “European” language, there’s something you should be aware of…

Hungary may be situated in Europe, but its language has almost nothing in common with any of the many European languages surrounding it (apart from a distant relationship to Finnish/Estonian)!

Many even think of Hungarian as being among the hardest languages in the world. One way a speaker of other European languages could perhaps come to that conclusion is that it is not an Indo-European language.

This basically means that English/French etc. have more in common with Romanian, Polish, Swedish, Lithuanian, Sanskrit and Persian than they have in common with Hungarian. Not just the very occasional vocabulary outside of direct family branches, but also the sentence structure can be somewhat familiar in these languages. It doesn’t make your job a huge amount easier, but at least it gives you some sense of familiarity, and I found this when learning Czech.

Apart from rare loan words, Hungarian seems to show nothing in common with its neighbours! Luckily it uses the Latin script (but so do Swahili, Turkish and Vietnamese…), but unluckily it seems to pack enough grammar into its sentences to make your head spin. Forget German’s four grammatical cases, or Russian’s six – Hungarian nouns can have up to eighteen cases!

I’m certainly going to miss prepositions - in, at, to etc. since these seem to get merged into the word as a “postposition” as one of many ways that Hungarian can produce extremely long words such as “megszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért“.

It’s a phonetic language, but it still has some things that will take some getting used to! ‘s’ is the ‘sh’ sound and ‘sz’ is the ‘s’ sound (the opposite of Polish), and the ‘g’ in the name of the language itself, magyar, is pronounced like a d!

Sound intimidating enough yet?

3-month mission: conversational Hungarian

I got all of the above information just from the Wikipedia article on Hungarian this afternoon for the sake of providing a summary. I am starting to learn the language from scratch as of today.

The only word in Hungarian I’ve learned so far is “Szia” (“hi”, pronounced see-ya apparently). So yes, this is absolutely from scratch with no similar or even distantly related language to act as my crutch.

My target is to reach conversational level in the language by mid-October. My mission is to take the intimidating message of the above paragraphs and to turn it around completely to find out what’s easy about Hungarian, to the point where I can effectively communicate in social situations with natives in the language, and of course, share my discoveries with you all!

I don’t want to sit any tests, spend hours watching TV shows or listening to the radio or reading, and I definitely don’t want to have my head in books studying grammar and vocabulary the entire time. I want to talk with Hungarians and attempt to have a social life almost exclusively through the Hungarian language.

I have no doubts that my usual tricks will come in very useful and that I will be able to communicate in some way quite quickly. However, I should specify exactly what I’m aiming for so there is no confusion! It won’t be fluency this time, but I do want to be able to converse.

Before I hop my flight out of Budapest on October 14th (just in time to fly south for the winter!) I want to be able to meet Hungarian natives I have never met before and have a casual conversation about a wide range of typical things people talk about at social events, with no preparation. I am allowing myself to make mistakes, as long as what I’m saying is totally understandable, and my focus will be on conversations I am involved in.

I’ll also aim to make a video or two in Hungarian before I leave so you can all hear what I sound like!

Trying out this “preparation” thing you all love so much

This target will be similar to the “pretty good” level I reached in Czech. The reason I’m aiming for about the same level (rather than fluency) is because I will actually have slightly over two months of proper immersion rather than three.

Rather than diving straight in, studying on the flight over, and speaking consistently from day one of the mission (which I know from experience works really well), I am going to give myself just over 2 weeks to prepare (while still in Berlin) and study some material (both from books and online). These two weeks may ultimately hurt my potential progress (especially since it won’t be full time – I’m still in recovery mode from the exam!), but now that I’ve had a chance to improve my study technique, I want to see if there is any benefit at all to this “preparation” thing you all seem to be raving so much about!

Two weeks not speaking the target language is already longer than I would usually go for, but it’s worth a try to see if it does indeed help to focus on absorbing as much as possible first.

This easing in period will be further extended, as I’ll spend my first week in Hungary in a town called Pécs just south of Budapest with some Esperanto speakers (at an event filled with fun young party-goers, called IJS). There will be some cultural adjustments to make in Hungary (etc. figuring out how to eat well in a country that doesn’t show much promise for vegetarians) and I’d rather be with friends and have some chances to communicate fully with the many Hungarians at the event (I’ve been told that Hungarians generally don’t speak much English or other languages), before I start full immersion a week into August.

That first week will also give me a chance to get to know some Hungarians who normally live in Budapest so that I can expand my social circle – of course they’ll all be convinced to speak just Hungarian with me after that first week!

Living in Budapest

The reason I choose particular destinations for my language missions, is less due to marking my territory among pompous linguists, and way more due to the actual destination and the people where I travel to. I consider myself much more of a nomad than a language learner and the social rewards of spending time almost exclusively with locals is mostly the reason why I am always so keen to make sure I can converse with them.

Budapest has long been on my list of places to visit, and there’s no way I could give a city with its reputation any less than a few months! I can’t wait to get to know it and discover what experiences await me – especially by discovering it through the people from the city itself. My “road less travelled” is not going to undiscovered villages, but simply being a “3-month tourist” without being a typical English-speaking one.

More than discovering Hungarian verb conjugations, I would like to discover Hungarian culture – and speaking to its locals is the best way to do this. That’s what the mission will ultimately be about!

So join me and see if I can reach a pretty-good conversational level of Hungarian in just three months! :D

If you have any advice or thoughts about this mission, feel free to share them in the comments below! :)

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  • John Bardos – JetSetCitizen

    Greetings Benny,

    I am studying Hungarian right now too. My wife and I should be in Budapest when you arrive. Maybe we will have a chance to meet.

  • WC

    Good luck!

    I'm interested to see if studying helps you at all. I personally can't imagine -not- studying, but you approach things quite a bit differently than I do. :)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Yeah, I'll give this “study” thing a chance, but I'd rather use my languages with human beings rather than with books and iPods ;)

  • http://hooshotjr-russian.blogspot.com Jen

    Aw Benny! You know I wish you'd picked Russian, but I understand why you went with Hungarian. :D Have fun in Budapest!

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Don't worry, if I can afford 3 months in Moscow I'll get to Russian soon too :)
    Thanks!

  • http://www.shawnchristenson.com Shawn Christenson

    Good luck Benny! This sounds exciting :)

  • http://howlearnspanish.com/ Andrew

    Ok, so before with Czech one of the things you listed as one of the biggest impediments to you learning it was, essentially, your lack of a really good reason (i.e. proper motivation) to do so. I may have missed something (pardon my skimming) but I didn't see anything in there about precisely WHY you've chosen Hungarian other than “it's really hard”–if that's your primary motivation I don't see why you didn't just go balls-to-the-wall and tackle the, arguably, hardest language in the world: Icelandic.

    Now, I kind of suspect you've actually got a really good and proper reason to learn Hungarian and you just failed to mention it and, considering what you've recently said about how lack of a really good reason caused you to give up on Czech, I thought I'd point out that you really ought to delve into this (your reason behind choosing this particular language, that is).

    Sorry, just really trying to help (seriously) since it seems like motivation really is a big deal (and I agree, it is–if I'm not interested in a particular country and their culture I absolutely cannot bring myself to learn the language, it just won't happen).

    Cheers,
    Andrew

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Thanks Shawn – you'll notice I've changed the right image on the banner. Only took a second thanks to your help :)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    My decision to learn Czech was very last minute and not thought out. I've considered Budapest itself as a destination for a very long time and I'm genuinely curious to get to know about its culture, especially through many Hungarians I've met in my travels.

    As I said at the end, cultural discovery is the point of the mission and that will motivate me to learn the language. I didn't know anyone in Prague when I moved there, nor did I have any particular interest in Czech culture.

    Icelandic is a Germanic language and another crazy-language-mission guy (Daniel Tammet) learned it in just a week. I find the “hardest language in the world” title to be quite a pointless one. I only mentioned it here to show what people's general opinion is, although I don't think Hungarian will pose more or less of a challenge than Icelandic, Turkish, Mandarin etc. would.

  • http://www.fluenteveryyear.com/ Randy (@Yearlyglot)

    “I would like to discover Hungarian culture – and speaking to its locals is the best way to do this.”

    Totally agree. That's how I feel as well. The point of learning the language(s) isn't for notches in the belt, but for the opportunity to communicate with people and learn about them, their culture, their world.

  • Quokka

    cool! *reach into the popcorn bin*

  • http://howlearnspanish.com/ Andrew

    Ok, that's cool, and the best reason to learn a language, in my opinion, is because you want to learn about the people and the culture, so you've got the right intentions, certainly.

    Also, a minor point, but I feel as though I should point it out for anyone reading your comment about Daniel Tammet: he's an autistic savant. Normal people, even very intelligent people who aren't savants, aren't going to pull off the kind of language learning and memorization stunts that he can do. Here's his wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_tammet

  • http://howlearnspanish.com/ Andrew

    Absolutely agreed, that's the best reason to learn a language. I also like it because it pushes people away from stodgy academic study that places too much emphasis on reading and writing formally and towards actually speaking the language like natives do with modern colloquial speech.

  • http://www.shawnchristenson.com Shawn Christenson

    I did notice that and I love the photo for it! Very creative (as always with your photos).

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Precisely! It's one reason I seem to get into so many arguments with some language learners. All they seem to be interested in is the language in itself. For me it's a means to an end. :)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Haha, yeah, we'll see how entertaining my stumbles can be ;)

  • http://www.fluenteveryyear.com/ Randy (@Yearlyglot)

    Yeah, those must be the same people who end up complaining about how slang is “destroying the purity of the language” or whatever else. It reminds me of stamp collectors, afraid to send a letter because the stamp may be worth something one day, or coin collectors who hoard all their pocket change. They can go ahead and fill their houses with books of coins or stamps or language materials or plates, figurines, dolls, magnets, whatever it is you collect…. but when people get together, we'll be the ones with the interesting stories about the places we've been and the things we've seen there. Hmmm…. I feel a blog post coming on!

  • http://corcaighist.blogspot.com Corcaighist

    As someone who is learning a Finno-Ugric language myself, I wish you the best of luck! Plus, Hungary sounds like a great place to spend some time. Just one thing I don't understand, sentences like this:

    “The reason I choose particular destinations for my language missions, is less due to marking my territory among pompous linguists, and way more due to the actual destination and the people where I travel to. “

  • Jennifer Kumar

    All the very best! My parents came to US from Hungary and I never learned Hungarian. I know only a few words like magyar and NEM and ANYU. Ok.. very very bad of me! I am completely American. You're so right the language is a very different one than all others that surround it. I wish you the best and will look forward to hearing your experiences along the way.

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Sure, let me know and we'll go see what Budapest has to offer in terms of Mocktails :D

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Thanks for the well wishes!

    I get lots of aggravation from people who see languages as nothing more than theoretical subjects in school or for their personal collection (see Randy's comment above about stamp/coin collection) and are insulted by the mere idea of someone wanting to actually speak these languages as soon as possible as I keep promoting on the blog.

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Thanks Jenn! I hope you learn something from my discoveries! Maybe it will inspire you to try something similar yourself ;)

  • Manuchan

    Good luck for your next mission! I'm sure you'll enjoy Budapest… I think it's really cool city, and so are the people I knew there. About the language…jes, it sounds difficult, but it is still only a language! ;-) It took me just one week to learn how to say “Cheers!”…
    Ĝuu ankaŭ IJS-n… bedaŭrinde mi ne partoprenos, mi plezure ekkonus vin persone! :-)
    Amike,
    Manuela

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Dankon Manuela! Ni certe renkontiĝos en iu ajn loko poste!

  • Nyakasd

    Hello!
    GOOD LUCK MAN from budapest!

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Thanks :)

  • Jen

    Ag, the “reply” feature isn’t working. Anyway…re: Moscow: You want to go to KAZAN, not Moscow! ;) It’s cheaper anyway. I’ve been to Russia 3 times and still haven’t seen Red Square. Someday…but in the meantime, I’m not feeling deprived! Kazan’s got a lot of great culture to offer (it’s kind of an “East meets West” town) and TWO languages. Plus, the people pride themselves on their hospitality and open-mindedness (you’ve got two major world religions living side-by-side–for the most part, peacefully).

  • Feketeribizli

    pimsleur hungarian. I always use pimsleur when i start to learn a language. 30 times 30 minutes audio lessons.
    And forget that “hungarian is the most difficult language in the world” bullshit. No such thing like “the most difficult language” exist. See u here!

  • Memma

    Man, you'r tasks for yourself are very brave! I'm a native Finnish (a language as difficult to learn as Hungarian) speaker and I've been watching my foreign friends learning it. Some of them become fluent within a year and they even adopt the Lappish dialect, when others struggle and give up in the very beginning when they understand that they are ment to understand words like “määränpäättömyydessäänkinhän” (postpositions!). I really hope that you're one of the fighters and you'll succeed in your task with Hungarian. :–) Sok szerencsét!

  • http://twitter.com/natalie_ Natalie

    Good luck! It sounds like being in Budapest will be loads of fun. Are you renting an apartment there? How do you find places to live when you travel to all of your European countries? (Forgive me if you already addressed that question in a previous blog entry.)

    If you get to Russia soon and live in Moscow to learn Russian, I am going to be SO jealous! I'm learning Russian and I'm thinking of jetting off to Moscow (or even Kiev) in a couple of years.

  • Matt

    Thank you for choosing Hungarian!!! I am part Hungarian and this makes me very happy to see! :)

  • Will

    Do you have any other languages on your radar for the future? Anything you're considering at all? Just wondering.

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    LOTS of interesting languages on the way after Hungarian :)
    I won't reveal them until just before the missions begin though – I like holding the suspense ;)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Glad to hear it! I hope you enjoy reading my story :D

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    The answer to your question is here: http://www.fluentin3months.com/finding-accommod;)

    I am definitely planning to go to Moscow to learn Russian, but that depends on my budget. I've already lived on a tight budget in miserable accommodation for a long time as a backpacker, so I'd like to maintain a certain level of comfort in my 3-month stays, and that will be harder in an expensive city like Moscow. Hopefully

    next year I'll be in the position to afford it! :)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    I don't want to go to Kazan – I have a thing for major international cities. Read this post for more info. I would really prefer what Moscow has to offer, even though there are obviously cheaper destinations. Perhaps after living in the capitals I will go to discover other destinations ;)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    I'm a fighter! I've fought many battles before Hungarian ;) Thanks!

  • djc463

    1. Si tu vas en Russie, je te suggère Saint-Petersburg plutôt que Moscou
    2. Pourquoi est-ce que tu n’essaies pas une mission pour 6 mois? Je sais que le titre de ton blog est “fluent in 3 months” mais ton but n’est pas toujours de parler couramment, donc pourquoi est-ce que c’est tellement important d’avoir les “3 mois”. à chaque fois. Les temps supplémentaire ne te tente jamais?
    3. Alguna vez toma tiempo para mejorar tu nivel en los idiomas que ya hablas? Cuanto tiempo tomas y que haces? Yo todo el tiempo tengo que practicar mis idiomas que digo que hablo “con fluidez” porque siempre puedo hablar mejor (mismo en inglés)
    4. MOST IMPORTANTLY: you said Hungarians often only speak 1 language in your article. LIES!!!! You should be more responsible than spreading sweeping generalizations, given your large number of avid readers. I’ve met many Hungarians (due to a friend of mine who is hungarian) and it seems to be a national requirement to speak at least 3 languages, and moreover to speak English flawlessly. Now I know this is an exaggeration as well. But I feel like they realistically are probably similar to Germany as far as being “good with languages”. If you want to pick on someone, pick on Americans!! We’re easy targets :p

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Pimsleur is good indeed – I'll write a post later about my favourite learning materials!
    Yeah, I just mentioned the hard thing for wow-factor. Hungarian doesn't scare me one bit. If other humans have learned it, there is nothing stopping me from doing it too ;)

  • http://twitter.com/natalie_ Natalie

    Спасибо :) I'm hoping to go back to Moscow sometime within the next year or so. Maybe we could meet and speak Russian if we end up being there at the same time.

  • http://parmvoo.blogspot.com/ Juho

    Great to see that you chose Hungarian. I am more curious of your learning because I am Finnish and Finnish considered as a hard language to learn. As a Erasmus tutor I have seen many exchange students starting to learn Finnish and everyone said that it was very hard. Even There was like 200 exchange students I did not know anyone who learned to speak Finnish. Mostly for them was enough to practice English because came from countries like France and Spain where they don't speak very well English. Even there was one guy very eager to learn Finnish he did not speak Finnish much with me after spending one year in Finland. I hope that you will do better with Hungarian.

  • http://corcaighist.blogspot.com Corcaighist

    If you want to learn Russian but can't afford to go to Moscow then let me suggest Narva (Estonia) to you.

    Benefits of Narva:
    1) Russian-speaking, as is the whole county of Ida-Virumaa.
    2) Cheap.
    3) Friendlier people that you'll find over the border in Russia proper.
    4) Visa free travel.

    Just an idea to consider.

  • http://corcaighist.blogspot.com Corcaighist

    Suomi ei ole kovin vaikea kieli oppia, mutta uskon, että kielioppi on helpompi virossa. On varma, että viron sanat ovat lyhyemmät! :D (Iirlane kes elab Eestis ja õpib eesti keelt oma eesti naise perekonnast.)

  • steve

    Sounds like another interesting mission. I think you might have problems with motivation though after a while but maybe you've allowed for that by making your target easier. Conversational Hungarian sounds quite easy to attain in 3 months to be honest because it's quite vague. Do you expect to be able to express yourself comfortably in all social situations or just get by?
    I think it is your easiest challenge so far but I appreciate that you must need a much more relaxed challenge after your previous one. Sounds like a very fun idea mission anyway.

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    I think you've misunderstood the goal in the mission. I “got by” in Thai in one weekend. Joining in spontaneous conversations is way more complex than that and this will certainly NOT be an easy challenge!

    If you have personally learned conversational Hungarian in 3 months already and believe it's quite easy, please share your secrets with me :)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    I don't know if I will succeed in a good level of conversation (I can only try my best!) but I'll definitely do better than most people in short-stays do, simply because I've made my immersion mistakes already and know what is involved and how to not lose motivation so quickly. :)

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    1. On m'a dit que Moscou est plus intéressant. Je veux des fêtes, des jeunes de tous les pays, et j'aime bien les capitales. En plus, Saint-Petersburg est cher aussi – donc je ne vois pas les avantages de cette ville. Je vais essayer de la visiter, mais je veux vivre à Moscou.

    2. J'aime bien passer 3 mois dans les villes. J'ai passé plus de temps dans quelques villes comme Valence en Espagne et Paris, mais 3 mois est parfait pour moi. C'est la zone « Boucles d'or » – pas trop de temps et pas trop peu de temps.

    3. Sí. Escribiré más sobre eso más tarde y entenderás.

    4. I'm going on what many people have told me and continue to tell me. If they have all been misleading me and the level of English is broadly quite good across Hungary I'll say that. However, I trust those who have written to me so far and am happy to see there will be few temptations to speak English (not that that made much of a difference in Berlin though).

    Have you met these Hungarians in Hungary or abroad? Meeting Hungarians abroad is NOT a good representation. I met lots of Americans in Buenos Aires who speak fantastic Spanish and this tells me nothing of the actual pathetic situation of Spanish spoken by white Americans living in the states. (Happy? I picked on Americans :) )

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Watch this space (and e-mail list etc.) to see when I make it! :) Of course if you share my blog with lots of people this will increase my site traffic and ultimately sales of my book and that will improve my budget to go there quicker :P
    Hope to meet up there!

  • http://www.fluentin3months.com/ Benny the Irish polyglot

    Thanks! For the moment my goal will be to continue to work hard on this website in the hopes that greater traffic and more sales of my LHG will increase my budget. If that is not successful then I'll go to plan B for learning Russian without getting back into debt ;)

  • Hribecek48

    I mean easy when you consider that you learned Czech to that standard in 2 months.